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The next step for the Sun Belt to ensure it is building to last would be add Georgia Southern and App State, which we all agree is a good move.. Bite the bullet and pick up NMSU and Idaho (Not my perfect choice either) to bring the conference to 12 teams. Then raise the exit fee to 10 million to put a stop to all this shopping around. Break the league into 2 divisions and put in place a championship game. JMO.....
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jag313 16 months ago
"It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything." -Tyler Durden
I think you have to bulk up with members on the assumption that more defections are coming. Try passing a vote on a $10m exit fee, and you'll quickly see how many are shopping.
NMSU (all sports, good hoops) and Idaho (football only, they're in Big Sky otherwise) have to be part of this, as they are already FBS.
Other FCS move-ups if we can't negotiate a strong TV deal to compete with C-USA. We currently have better football, so now is a great time to be talking with our partners about it. If we do take FCS move-ups, they get the invite and start playing SBC football only when the transition is almost complete (same as USA).
And in no circumstances do we let exiting members bail early. MT and FAU have to stick around, or we'll all be scrambling to fill last-minute holes in our schedules.
Finally, any FCS move-ups need to offer more than football. Hoops is important to the conference, as well. I'm not currently looking forward to the USA-GaSouthern men's basketball game.
This post was edited by Journeyman 16 months ago
As far as a CUSA-SBC merger, it is more of a UAb-USM add all the SBC schools and call it C-USA.
These institutions of higher learning, that are suppose to be teaching ethics and how to best conduct business are doing a horrible job of leading by example. And you wonder why the government can't run without losing a crap load of money, this is why. None of them are looking more then 2 weeks into the future, this will all crash around them and they will only have their shortsided views to blame.
That would be a very strong, and tough east division.
I wasn't a fan of NMSU and Idaho being added initially, but given the way things have shaken out, I'm ok with it now, with you divisions you laid out. If we want to remain a viable conference moving forward, and not have to worry about meeting membership requirements every year that there are shifts, we need to protect against future raids, and go ahead and get to 12. That, plus, it throws a life raft to both schools. Can't hurt to do a couple administrations a "favor."
After those 4, you're getting onto shaky ground, with realistically only FCS teams available. And those reasonable FCS teams are dwindling.
Today I’ll take any kind of passion. Just care! Complain, moan, groan, or call for somebody’s head. CARE !! - OJ
Thought I read somewhere that they had already scheduled a meeting to try to pass the 10 mil buyout, but canceled it when MTSU and FAU moves were announced.
Unfortunately the SBC is headed down the drain. We cannot keep trading good teams for FCS teams and try to be a viable conference.
Frankly, I think App St and GaSo are better than some of the teams we lost.
Lets hope they are and we get them. Considering UTSA went CUSA and not to us there are no guarantees there either.
Thanks for your help guys
Yes to App; State and Georgia Southern, only. None of the rest are needed by the SBC. IMO.
This post was edited by NCJag 16 months ago
I'm hearing Arkansas State and La Lafayette may be leaving the Sun Belt. Possibly going to the WAC
Anyone else hearing this?
Ouch!! Benson has already lost the SBC, we are in deep trouble!!
No way they'd go to the WAC. MWC, maybe. I still think that's a stretch though. It would only make sense if they went with the western CUSA teams.
First off the WAC doesn't exist anymore. The rumor you heard was probably about ULL and ASU to the MWC. I think that rumor is just wishful thinking. ULL and ASU aren't going anywhere unless drastic changes occur in the ACC/Big East. The MWC would probably take UTEP/Tulsa and maybe even UTSA/UNT before sniffing around ULL and ASU. C-USA would probably be the ones needing spots to fill, not the MWC.
Yes, that rumor's been floating around for a little while. Like you, Skully, I don' t think there's much too it. UTEP and Tulsa make a lot more sense for the MWC.
The real news of the day is that the seven non-football schools of the Big East have gotten together and are trying to decide if they will vote to drop football from the conference. Because so many football schools have left and the new invitees haven't officially joined yet, these seven schools may have enough power to keep the Big East name and NCAA tourney money and then form a strong basketball league that will pay them more than a Big East with football did.
If that happens, CUSA and the MWC may have a lot more programs begging for a home and CUSA may rethink their recent expansion choices.
There is no reason to save the SBC for the sake of saving the SBC. If C-USA and the SBC do an essential merge, under the C-USA name, so be it. It will just be the SBC known as C-USA plus 2 maybe 3 teams.
I'd love C-USA choices to come back and bite them in the butt after trying to damage the Sun Belt so much. If there were several quality ex-Big East teams out there, I'm sure the MWC and C-USA might try and take a stab at getting them, but could we see the formation of a new league with those Big East leftovers and hand picked schools from C-USA, and maybe the Sun Belt or MWC? Or would those teams be happy to join C-USA and the Sun Belt? The Sun Belt has quite a few spots available in that scenario.
I don't think that's what's coming. If the BE folds and no new league is formed, then you'll see the MWC, CUSA and SBC all picking up teams but the pecking order will remain the same. I think we'd just see the return of the SBC teams that are leaving.
Is it possible that the Big East might actually realize what makes them special? Hoops!!!
Looks like Temple can block the basketball schools in the BE. The A-10 is making a good pitch to become a basketball super-conference.
That's it. Not sure why I said WAC
ESPN has a new article up. Apparently Temple can't vote on dissolving the league and if the seven Catholic schools move as a group they could start a conference that has autobids in place because they've been together more than five years in a conference, even though it's not the new one.
I don't see why they wouldn't take off on their own and dissolve the Big East at this point. They'could swipe a couple of good A-10 teams to flesh out their roster and become what they used to be, a really string basketball league.
The BE football teams will either have to form a new conference, and they'll have to wait five years for their autobids, or spread out among the existing conferences.
Its enough to make your head explode
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