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Believe me, I'm not romanticizing independence. I don't want to. I just hope we could pull it off if it were necessary for FBS survival.
I've got the silver-haired thing down, but that's it.
I know most of realignment has to do with market, but we all hear other factors that could come into play. How much does endowment play into realignment talk, especially when a school like USA has a ton of potential sitting there with a huge endowment? Is it any effect? If you were to combine all the teams in the new Conference USA and the new Sun Belt you'd see that USA had the 3rd largest endowment. What good is this money for? What exactly can we use those funds for?
170,176,000 Old Dominion
119,711,000 Texas State
80,315,000 La Tech
Endowment doesn't matter.
Athletic budget does. We're down there. Hell, we can't even afford a 200k buyout.
Today I’ll take any kind of passion. Just care! Complain, moan, groan, or call for somebody’s head. CARE !! - OJ
So you're saying we're well-endowed?
My understanding is as follows. If this is not correct maybe someone else has better info.
The endowment fund is independent of the University and exists for the benefit of the University. The President of the University sits on the board but other than that has no influence over the use of the funds. Much of the fund assets are in Hard Assets such as timberland and the old Brookley campus. I don't think much of the fund is in liquid assets that can be converted to cash for immediate use, probably only the income that the fund earns. The University can only use the funds that the Endowment gives to the University and is restricted to the use as per the Endowments instructions.
This post was edited by GEAGLESJAG 17 months ago
"Faster horses, Younger women, Older whiskey, More money"
There is a rumor out there that started with a 247 Big 10 publisher that Georgia Tech has been OK'd to join the Big 10 and that GT is waiting to see what happens with the Maryland exit fee case before deciding what to do.
This makes sense to me that GT would try this move. Like Texas A&M, they have struggled in UGA's shadow and being in the ACC has not changed that. A move to the Big 10 would not only mean more money, but would also give them a new opportunity to get attention from the big state school.
Since all this realignment mess started a year or two ago, I'm the guy that always thought that it wouldn't become a big deal and yet every move has been more profound than I expected. Well, I'm not thinking that way anymore. If Maryland gets their fee reduced significantly, I think we're looking at a wholesale shakeup. FSU and Clemson will probably look to the SEC or Big 12, NC State and Va Tech, too. The ACC may strip the Big East bare or take some BE and some CUSA. The Big 12 won't stay at 10 anymore and they'll jump on the MWC, CUSA or Big East teams too. When all is said and done, I think a large number of remaining SBC schools will be invited to join the remains of CUSA and I think USA will be in that group. WKU has a bigger name at the moment, Ga State has the market, ULL and Ark State have good support, but USA is probably the best combination of all those factors.
This will a bit of a college sports Armegeddon, but I think USM and UAB will still be in CUSA after all this and being there with them and a large number of our current SBC rivals may mean we're in a better place than we are right now.
Which part do you disagree with?
Do you think our basketball team is basically playing for the future of our athletics right now?
That is to say, if we get into the tourney and maybe even win a game, do you think it improves our chances of getting a bid?
Really annoyed we dropped three in atlanta. I also am pretty convinced USM will block us at every corner.
This post was edited by Tiguar 17 months ago
Sorry, Doug, I am suffering an emoticon-failure that didn't convey my true take on what you said in its totality and meant to imply maybe, someway, somehow could actually happen. I really had to work to come up with us ultimately getting a C-USA invite from your scenario. As a Big 10 person, and I have great admiration for Ga. Tech,but I can't see them moving to the Big 10 and starting the cascade that would lead to us ending up in C-USA.
Frankly, I have said for years, that Kentucky would be great fit for the Big 10 and then someone like FSU or GT or Clemson taking their place in the SEC. But truth be told, I personally, really liked the Sun Belt for us as a geographically compact, evenly matched group of schools (although I have been at South long enough to remember UNCC and ODU and UAB as great co-members. Maybe I just miss the good ol' days for the Belt.
At first I didn't see Ga Tech in the Big 10 either, but then, how are they any less nonsensical than Maryland and Rutgers? Not only do they reside in a big market but they have more consistent success and tradition than the other two. Academically they are also a fit, which is very important to the Big 10. It would've sounded crazy a week or two ago, but not anymore.
I'm a believer in crazy now.
This post was edited by Doug Konkel 17 months ago
I guess "nonsensical" is the operative word in all this realignment stuff.
I think it's the first test of if an idea will fly in college sports these days.
"Sir, I have a great idea!"
"Does it make sense?"
"Sure does, sir!"
"Get out of my office."
Let's say for argument sake that the Sun Belt is looking around the FCS for viable candidates. Who might they be?
Why not, ALABAMA STATE? New Stadium, Re-energized alumni base, growing city. Montgomery market. I personally think this one would be quite a coup. That's a rivalry for the Jags that would travel very well.
I wish we could entice some Southland members. I like Sam Houston State and Lamar. Huntsville is situated between Dallas and Houston. Beaumont is not bad.
Appalachian State would be good, but the market is bad. Boone isn't close to anything in market size.
Georgia Southern is again, good, but if market is the key, it's not a great choice.
I think it's safe to say the CUSA isn't going backward. None of its teams are leaving, so UAB, USM, and others are out of the question.
How about any of the UT schools? UT-Martin is strong.
I'm game for anyone.
My short list: Alabama State, Sam Houston State, Lamar, App. State, UT-Martin, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, UT-Martin.
No more Alabama schools. We have to think that MAYBE at some point, the Belt may not be our home, and if that happens I don't want to have a bunch of new FBS schools to recruit against. Selfish and unreasonable, but realistic.
Really? You think Alabama State is comparable to other Sun Belt schools in athletics, academics, facilities, endowment, enrollment, budget, etc.
I would like to see App and GSU as FCS move ups, and NMSU if we're desperate to maintain the SBC's existence.
CUSA has gone with the market approach. The SBC needs to go with the best football approach. We're never going to beat them at the market game, and they will no doubt get the bigger tv contracts because of it, but if the SBC can consistently beat them on the field, their advantage will be short term.
Aside from that, I don't understand the lack of chatter about USA being considered. I think we have as much or more to offer CUSA than anyone. I was also very frusted by Dr. JE's comments today about us "waiting to see where we end up" and putting his faith in Benson to "put us in a good place". "Us" being the SBC. He also sounded like he's all for having more FCS schools called up in the event more schools are taken so the Sun Belt conference will be in good shape. Why the hell is he expecting to still be here when the SHSU's and Lamar's of the world are brought up? USA has way more in common with USM, UAB, etc than any of the FCS schools. I expect him to be on the phone with CUSA and other AD's, presidents, whoever will listen. And tell us that's what he's doing.
This post was edited by StillGotIt 17 months ago
I think when it's eat or be eaten, you have to look around.
It's just a suggestion.
As a suggestion, my reasoning is this: brand new 26000+ seat stadium, alumni base who travels pretty good for football, Montgomery market (if you care about market), and it has instant conversation written all over it. The first HBCU to break and make the jump to FBS.
Frankly, I would've said FAMU, since they studied doing it in the mid-2000s, but now they aren't in the shape to do it. AND they have hazing controversies and admin upheaval.
You would rather him say he has been on the phone and on his knees begging everyone in CUSA to let us please join them? Don't you think everone in Cusa already know all about the Belt teams and that they can have their pick?
I agree it has instant conversation written all over it.
Absolutely. I want him pointing out every detail about why we should be in CUSA. Would you rather he does nothing and we just hope? I want him looking out for USA not the SBC. Benson has proven he can run a conference in the ground.
My top two are what's pretty much been the consensus on the other boards: Georgia Southern and App State. I hate to digest more FCS move-ups, but that's just the way it is right now, and those two are by far the best two targets. Realistically they'd come in and probably have success right away. And, both schools are outdrawing most if not all of the SBC, as well as most of the CUSA. Outside of that, I think Benson's idea of having a tight footprint was a good idea, but it obviously isn't that much of an attraction. MTSU, FIU, FAU, and NT have already said "so what", so maybe we should abandon that and go after the best "name" schools now. Idaho and NMSU? At least those two are already FBS. But even then, with NMSU on deck for CUSA I wouldn't count on them to say yes.
I still don't understand the market mentality either. Tulane has averaged less than 5K turnstile fans per game for the last several years. UAB and Memphis weren't a whole lot better.
No, what you are saying is that you want him to do it and then tell everyone he is doing it so that you will know it personally. I trust Dr. JE knows his job and how to handle this situation without the public comments that may hurt our cause.
The only reason that I think Idaho and NMSU are non-starters for this conversation is because they joined the Sun Belt early on in football and dropped right back out, because it was cost-prohibitive to travel across the country to play southern schools that didn't gain them anything.
At that point, they hhad other options.
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